1.63 что будет? Options

[Bes Inc.]

если кто что знает говорите.

1.63 Build Notes:
From the 1.63 internal buildnotes

- Added support for 8 new custom animation types:
ANIMATION_LOOPING_CUSTOM3
ANIMATION_LOOPING_CUSTOM4
ANIMATION_LOOPING_CUSTOM5
ANIMATION_LOOPING_CUSTOM6
ANIMATION_LOOPING_CUSTOM7
ANIMATION_LOOPING_CUSTOM8
ANIMATION_LOOPING_CUSTOM9
ANIMATION_LOOPING_CUSTOM10

[SharX]

А глюк шифтера исправят ?
Кто знает - колитесь

[Sael]

Похоже всетаки сделают что у Аркан арчера будет работать Devastation Critical. Сейчас можно сделать чара с необходимимы параметрами для этого ... и взять этот фит ... но работать он не буде.

[Bes Inc.]

Patch 1.63 has a good amount of new features requested by the the custom content community (i.e. the ability to change the phenotype of a creature by scripting or to align VFX with the player) and scripting community (i.e. the ability to change the skybox, and patch 1.64 might as well add some goodies for the server admin community if the Live Team finds that a particular change to accomodate your needs can be made with the given manpower. (Please do take this paragraph out of context or apply it to "bugs" - read my previous statements on how changing/adding certain things does not necessarily take away time from bugfixing).


Фикса шифтера не будет также как и друида. Так сказали биовари. Шифтеру к тому же идет штраф на опыт получаемый когда он в форме пребывает. так как у него менятеся раса.

По загрузке проца 30% загрузка при 0 игроков это норма.

НВН НЕ РАСЧИТАН НА ЗАПУСК МОДУЛЕЙ объемом выше 100 мб.
Тоесть = авто лаги сразу в таких модулях.

[Bes Inc.]

Вот по загрузке кому интересно.Georg Zoeller
Designer


Joined: 27 May 2003
From: Edmonton, AB Posted: Saturday, 03 April 2004 05:41AM
Quote: Posted 04/03/04 02:14:32 (GMT) by tunafishsandwich

Georg..i was not saying that the allegory you posted was at all inflamitory. I was reading another topic right before this one, where the dev got a little too defensive.
I was just asking that we *all* make an effort to be more courteous...
that being said, I thank you for your postings..it is a breath of fresh air to get some meaningful responses from the devs. I realize that you guys are probably busy with stuff, but every once in a while, throw us dogs some cookies!


Hi

The Ugly
The recent bad atmosphere on this board threads was mainly caused by a single person who agitated his friends/players into coming here and bump the threads he created with the sole intention of offending people and creating flame wars. That problem has been permanently fixed and any other attempt to disrupt our community will be dealt with swiftly.

Please understand this:

Some of the problems posted by this person on this board were valid and had not been reported yet, others were known and already in our database. However the person did not send a single valid bug report (or included to many swear words and got it deleted by the filter) but instead posted hostile and inflammatory topics on this boards - this is not the way to get the things that are troubleing you fixed (since the topics were written in a very hostile language, nobody here cared about verifying their validity). The people here at BioWare are very passionate about their work and we care about our products (you will find very few other companies out there that supports their products over such a long time). We are however only humans, and when confronted with open hostility, childish behavior or straight insults our commitment to care for a persons problems will be impacted. Frankly I couldn't care less for the problems reported by someone who calls me a "dirty wh*re or c*** s****er" on his website.

Now on to the cookies (taste varies by perception)

I) CPU 30% on empty server -
Yes, in our database, priority rated as low due to the fact that gameplay is not affected in any way, after all no player is on the server.

There seems to be some misconceptions about the importance of CPU load here:

The server has a default cpu load of 99%. It sleep()s every few frames in order to allow other applications to execute, effectivly dropping the cpu load to the number you see when calling top.

Probably we could call sleep() more often when nobody is on the server in order to drop the cpu load generated by the server, but as said, this is low priority as it does not do anything to improve gameplay. CPU load 30% on an empty server does not mean that the game is wasting 30% CPU on doing nothing.

Again, I agree that it would be nice if the server would degrade CPU load down to 10% when nobody is playing in order to allow other applications to execute more frequently.


II) CPU load increasing after 30's player - The issue is known and has been put on hold, reason below. The issue itself looks like the game is exceeding some limits in it's memory management or caching systems, probably causing it be less efficient and more cpu expensive with it's tasks. Since setup required to reproduce this problem is time and resource intensive, work on it has been put on hold until the below managed changes to the game's resource management systems have been finished.


III) High CPU load in general
First - 90% CPU load is not a problem per se - it becomes a problem when game performance is significantly decreased at the same time. There are a couple of problems we are aware of that cause high CPU load, especially with a very high number of players. A couple of them seem to be related to certain intel chipsets and could not be reproduced reliably here to fix them. Other reasons have been mentioned earlier in this thread (placeables and pathfinding, heartbeats, etc). The game's network messaging protocol is highly compressed (NWN has a very low bandwith requirement compared to other games), however this is taxing to a servers CPU with a lot of players, especially if some those players have mediocre or bad connections.

A couple of potential problems have been fixed internally, some can't be fixed (i.e. CPU not powerful enough to support 64 players) the others are on hold, reason again below.


The Good
The Live Team is currently investigating a sigificant update to the games underlying resource management and caching system. Preliminary tests have shown a tremendous increase in game performance (around 40% frame rate for some areas) and they expect a significant performance increase for the dedicated server, especially for machines with a lot of RAM (which could be able to keep most of the game resources in memory all the time).

Currently there are a couple of unresolved issues with this change - if they manage to get those ironed out in time, this update could be available with patch 1.63, if not, the change will have to wait for an upcoming patch.

If this change goes through, there is a decent chance that it might solve many of the issues mentioned in this forum, so investigation on those issues has been put on halt for a while.

Finally I want to add this:

NWN is not designed to run 100+ megabytes modules with several hundred areas in them, everyone doing this is asking for trouble. We disregard and delete any complaints to [email protected] that report performance problems with those setups unless they can provide instructions on how to reproduce a problem on a much smaller scope.

We have made clear from the start that running persistent worlds with this size, is not the scope NWN was created for and, while we are not artifically create hurdles for people who want to try this, we can not concentrate our resources on fixing problems arising from those setups.

A module with several hundred areas and hundreds of megabyte size is operating far beyond NWNs specifications, the overhead for object management and event handling alone will be literally eating up your processing power and memory, even before a single creature has run their AI. Even with the most careful design and a scaled down creature AI, the game will never reach the performance some people expect it to have. As mentioned before, there is a reason why we distribute our official campaign in several smaller modules instead of making one huge one - NWN can't handle it. People running these setups can somethimes experience a 50-60% or more cpu load on an empty server or higher loads with a lot of player.

Please do not misunderstand the above statement as an attack on the server admin community in general, it is not - many people here run servers in a smaller scope and are experiencing problems with the multiplayer aspect of the game - and those are valid bugs. An example would be lag with 20 or 40 players on a sufficiently powerful server with enough bandwith.

That said, we are interested to know what issues pose the greatest problems for both the regular server admin community and the PW community.

Maybe it would be nice if I could get a list the top 10 problems that are affecting you the most (I know, everyone has their own opinion, but we should be able to get some kind of trend), the reason why they are problematic and if possible, steps to reproduce them. This can also include feature requests (like the extended banlist). While I can not promise anything, I can at least make sure that the list gets on the Desk of the Live Team producer

I'm hoping for some constructive dialog here, please do not let the trolls take control here anymore.
_________________
georg zoeller
technical designer
HotU - Hordes of the Underdark
Jade Empire
Edited By Georg Zoeller on 04/03/04 05:57:50

[Bes Inc.]

кто не обратил внимание теперь при кноке учитываются размеры существа кнокающего и того кого кнокают.

[Bes Inc.]

к вопросу о лагах.
Makzimia De Graf
Game Owner
NWN
NWN: SoU


Joined: 20 Nov 2002
From: San Diego CA Posted: Sunday, 04 April 2004 03:14PM
First of all, Georg, thank you for all the time you spend with the community, I know I and many others appreciate the personal touch of a successful company involving themselves with us. In relation to the talk I have seen a lot of now in regard to PW's.

I run Island of Fredian, which I created, and along with my wife Salandra (creator of the new code for ATS/Salandra's Crafting) and addicted2rpg, who both did our MySQL, NWNX coding backend, have created a world already over 350 areas and 71.7MB in size.

I have probably broken most of the rules you outline as bad, ie: placeables on grid lines, areas as big as 32 x 32 even. However, in my PW, I have had at times as many as 55 players running around, and regurally have high 20's to mid 30's. A combination of careful selection of what code I allow in, mostly our own, and or trusted code, and good hardware built for the task. Our server regurally runs 24hrs or more without a reload or any crashes, recently I have let it run 48 hrs twice.

The secret to this, I believe, is a combination of the above, and such things as cleanup codes for merchants and areas, and not going overboard with spawns, keep them low and high value, instead of large and low value.

Again thanks, and thank you to all those at bioware who do care about us as a community.

BTW CPU use on my P4 2.8GHZ 2GB DDR2700 RAM Server at idle is 2% MAXIMUM! and with 20 players it just starts to work around 5-15% and spikes to 30%. Just for the information of those interested.

Makz.
_________________
Makzimia De Graf

Home of ATS/Salandra's Crafting
DM/Creator Island of Fredian PW
Forums at http://makzimia.proboards19.com

[Zxx]

кто не обратил внимание теперь при кноке учитываются размеры существа кнокающего и того кого кнокают.

да всю жизнь такое было

[Bes Inc.]

А у кого то не лагает. http://nwn.bioware.com/forums/viewtopic.ht...5&forum=56&sp=0

Madwack
Game Owner
NWN


Joined: 26 Apr 2002 Posted: Tuesday, 06 April 2004 07:45PM
I must be doing something right

i have a PW with 1 gig in haks
850 areas... 130 megs in size
monsters and items in toolset out the waaazooo

100's placeables placed all over the world
literally 100's of trees

also the mod has never corrupted once in 2 years..well almost 2 years now



and my mod sits at 0% cpu ussage until a player logs in

the mod runs on a 1.9 pentium and can hold 30 people No problem

Lands of Arda
arda.insideimpulse.com

Madwack


No complaints here

[Bes Inc.]

да всю жизнь такое было

раньше дварф мог и драка и гиганта кнокать сейчас же пишет что размер не позволяет.

[Glok]

чтоо?? дварф никогда не считался маленьким размером.


"Шифтеру к тому же идет штраф на опыт получаемый когда он в форме пребывает. так как у него менятеся раса."

а вот это совсем плохо

[Дух леса]

раньше дварф мог и драка и гиганта кнокать сейчас же пишет что размер не позволяет. 

Можно уточнить, про какой кнок речь идет?

[Taras_Potatos]

Кста, Глок прав. Несмотря на то что дварф имеет +4Ac против гигантов, он не являеться Small Creature. Как говориться он не маленький, он просто очень широкий
2 Дух KnockDown

[Zxx]

бес. это он обычном нокдауном не может. и никогда не мог. а импрувд нокдаун может. т.к. при импрувд ноке размер нокающего считается на 1 категорию больше.

[Дух леса]

Это и и мышу понятно. Но про какой именно?
Импрувд, или простой?